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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Mar 26, 2010 9:11am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Concerning The 'Jam Band' Label

Exactly.

I'm pretty sure the Dead were a once in a lifetime band. Maybe I'll be proven wrong, but I have yet to hear a solo that hits me the same way a soul-shattering Morning Dew can. And I haven't even mention the vocals. While Jerry was never what one would call an outstanding vocalist on a technical level, there were times he could really delve deep and whip out some spine tingling moments (my favorite being his vocals in the Augsuta 84 Dew where he growls like an angry locomotive). Phish vocals I have always considered to be their weakest link. There are some "modern" jam bands, like Dave Matthews, that do have fantastic vocals that are full of emotion.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Mar 26, 2010 9:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Concerning The 'Jam Band' Label

" I'm pretty sure the Dead were a once in a lifetime band. Maybe I'll be proven wrong"

I hope you will be but I think you are right. I've always figured if it could happen once it could again but so far no one comes close. Oh there are bands that are probably more technically profecient but the magic isn't there

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Poster: Hal R Date: Mar 26, 2010 9:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Concerning The 'Jam Band' Label

I too think the Dead are a once in a lifetime band, hell I would say once in an era band. I truly think that they are part of a stream of touched folks like Beethoven, Bach, Coltrane and Miles. Part of who the Dead are has to do with their talents and the time they were a part of. Lots of very good bands came out of the times. And I posted earlier how much I enjoy jam bands. Discovering Phish for me was something that helped me going after Jerry left us, the spirit of exploration and to jam on songs was still alive even if the songs get silly, it moves me but never to the depths and heights of the GD.

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Poster: stealyourwife Date: Mar 26, 2010 9:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Concerning The 'Jam Band' Label

omg, you did not just bring up DMB...teenage girl music imo.

if there's any exceptions to unemotional soulless jamband's its Keller Williams yall

http://www.archive.org/details/kw2006-05-05.matrix.flac16

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Poster: Hal R Date: Mar 26, 2010 10:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Concerning The 'Jam Band' Label

I have to say that I saw Keller Williams and he did nothing for me, everyone had told me how great he was but it didn't touch me or my brother who was with me. Thought it was lots of hype and looping. Maybe a wrong setting, maybe an age thing but I just don't think he touches the talents of great singer/songwriters like Dylan, Joni Mitchell, John Prine, Buddy Miller, Darrell Scott, Greg Brown.

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Mar 26, 2010 1:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Concerning The 'Jam Band' Label

Keller is most readily comparable to Leo Kottke than other more folky singer/songwriters. He may not be as talented as a guitarist as Kottke, but I do like some of his songs. I don't listen often, but there are some fun songs like "Phreaker by the Speaker"...

Fun, light, kind of superficial "playing around" type of music... nothing like the truly classic sound of the GD. He actually started a real band for one year and they produced some of the best Keller style music :)

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Poster: portmcgroin Date: Mar 26, 2010 7:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Concerning The 'Jam Band' Label

Seeing Keller in a club is ok but a big stage its hard to take. Plus I have it stuck in my head that he moonlights as the free credit report guy. As far as the Dead being a jam band I would say that there is no doubt they laid the foundation for all these band. I think the key ingredient is the improv aspect of these bands it is not really based on genre more seeing or hearing them live. I have seen many bands be it funk, jazz, rock, bluegrass,country, blues, psych. etc.. that give you that hair raising experience with or without vocals. The Dead just had that ability to do all that in one show. I cant see another band being able to be like them because they all took there diff. backgrounds and had an open mind to try it. Then you have a couple guys writing incredible lyrics. The first time I heard an other one or darkstar with a cowboy tune sandwiched in it I was floored how do you go from space travel to wildwest like that.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 26, 2010 9:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Concerning The 'Jam Band' Label

"space travel to wildwest like that."

Here's a great example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPRFdoAmGzs&;feature=related

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Poster: portmcgroin Date: Mar 27, 2010 6:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Concerning The 'Jam Band' Label

Wonder if this is this 68 or 69? I didn't think they started sandwiching the cowboy tunes till like 71. Hilarious that the captain didn't get the girl the look on his face.. young lady.. and the hand jestures a classic. Shatners raw nerve is a good talk show I like the way it gets up close and personal with the guests and the seating arrangement, they tend to go off on some wild tangents kinda like this forum.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 27, 2010 7:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Concerning The 'Jam Band' Label

Yeah, on all points! It was just funny that reading your post, which of course, is exactly the way I have thought of it before, esp in 71 with so many DS-->M&MU trans's, that this time, all I could think of was "STrek-->OKCorr fight scene"!

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Poster: stealyourwife Date: Mar 26, 2010 7:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Concerning The 'Jam Band' Label

Your right, KW is definitely not on par with GD or more specifically Robert Hunter. HalR makes a good point with the songwriters he listed too...I just feel like out of all the jambands KW stands out because he doesn't seem to take himself too seriously and sounds like he's doing it for the love of music and not a pay check. I always get a good vibe at his shows and it indeed gets emotional at times...for me anyways.

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Poster: stealyourwife Date: Mar 26, 2010 11:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Concerning The 'Jam Band' Label

He's definitely better with a band...hopefully the looping era is done. It did get old quick.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Mar 26, 2010 10:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Concerning The 'Jam Band' Label

True enough, alot of his stuff I really don't like, but if you saw his version of Watchtower from the '07 or '08 Hyde Park festival, you might see my point. Outstanding.

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Poster: zappa1229 Date: Mar 26, 2010 10:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Concerning The 'Jam Band' Label

I have to say that "jamband" is just a terrible label in general. Depending on who you ask it can apply to any band that doesn't play a a song the same way every time and maybe extends the length of their songs. I like to consider The Grateful Dead "American Music" since it is such a hodgepodge of so many different styles of classic american music (folk, blues, jazz, bluegrass, rock and roll, psychedelic, even disco in the 80s). Phish is another band does blends genres, although mostly jazz, rock, pop, psychedelic, funk & bluegrass.

I feel like calling any band a "Jamband" does a disservice to them bands by generalizing them all into one category.

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Poster: Incornsyucopia Date: Mar 26, 2010 6:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Concerning The 'Jam Band' Label

But then that's what genre labels do! Individual instances never perfectly fit any label, and they nearly always claim to "unclassifiable," but such is the reality of generalizations. To me it's not a question of liking it or not; it IS how people talk about them and therefore the important question is why.